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WOCL

Redbaron64

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Hello..

I am getting a flag for WOCL.. trying to understand why.. I changed the bullet to not use domicile in theater.. thoughts?

the FDP shows PHX, but I don't know if that can be changed.. otherwise, I don't see local time departure/arrivals but maybe 2 impacting night operations..

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Ok.. is that why I am getting the WOCL? PHX as the FDP triggering the night warning? Is the button the primary fix then?
 
We did additional digging into the FAA interpretations for FAR 117. "FDP Series" is an important phrase here. A new FDP Series starts when the pilot has been given 30 hours rest. It's NOT necessarily the same thing as a "trip". If you had more than 30 hours rest in the middle of a trip, it starts a new FDP Series.

To the best of our understanding, according to this FAA interpretation, there are only two options for a carrier to use for the time zone for these calculations.

1. The time zone of the airport where the "FDP series" started.
2. Domicile time, IF the domicile is in the same theater (less than 60 degrees longitude away) as the airport that the FDP Series started in.

I can't see your entire trip from the screenshots you shared to determine if there was a 30 hour rest to reset the time zone, but there are definitely two days that started around 0400 PHX time which is your domicile time. So the only time the switch to "use domicile as theater" would matter is if you had over 30 hours rest in a different time zone than your domicile AND your company chose to use that as the time zone for calculations. So my previous post about the switch being broken was incorrect and doesn't apply to this anyway.

The appropriate excerpt from the interpretation is pasted below. It's the Wykoff and Mullen interpretation.
a. Must a carrier designate the underlying time zone (e.g., local or home base) to
be utilized by pilots to determine the correct time of day to enter Tables A, B &
C? If so, when andwhere must the carrier make a designation of the time zone
for FDP start purposes? Must the designation be in writing? Must a carrier wait
until after a 30-hour rest break to change starting time zones in a theater? Must
the carrier designate any change in the time zone a flightcrew member is expected
to use to enter the Tables for each FDP on the schedule, or elsewhere?

In the clarification letter issued to A4A referenced above, the FAA stated that, for
the purpose of determining where to enter Tables A, B and C, a carrier may
designate either the local time where the flightcrew member began the series of
FDPs or the corresponding home base time if the flightcrew member is acclimated
to a theater that encompasses the home base
. When, where or how the
designation is made is up to the carrier, but typically it is expected that it would
be made in the context of setting up the schedules so that when flightcrew
members bid on crew pairings, they have a complete understanding of how the
schedule was constructed. In this respect, the designation would typically also be
in writing. Once made, the designation would apply for the series of FDPs ending
when a flightcrew member begins the 30 hour rest period under § 117.25(b).
Then the process repeats itself when the next series of FDP begins. A new series
of FDPs will begin when any of three circumstances occur: the flightcrew
member receives 30 consecutive hours of rest, the flightcrew member ends an
FDP outside of the theater where the FDP began and becomes unacclimated, or
the flightcrew member becomes acclimated to a new theater.
 
Hello..
Revisiting WOCL ..

All - SCR 0500 -1500
Domicile - YNG (although I don't think this matters at this point)
Use Domicile as theater (selected on)

Consecutive night operations
Limit ref 117.15 a,c,d,e (MAX 5)
Otherwise Limit (MAX 3)

How does APDL know which to apply (5 days or 3 days)


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Hello..
Taking another look at this.. if 3 days is max standard within the 117.27 rule.. then should day 1, 2, 3 be green, and day 4+ be Red?

I added NOV 12th, and it went yellow on day 4 and stayed yellow thru day 7... I think as long as I am on day 3 or less, it should stay green, day 4+ should show red..

Now since I am currently scheduled 14 hours rest between each SCR day, that would be under the 117.15 a,c,d,e.., yes?.. The only caveat with this particular example, is the reserve starts at 5am each day (within the circadian low), so I don't think this exception apply's to 117.15 a,c,d,e?

If the reserve started at 6am (outside the circadian low), then this would not be a WOCL issue..

Thoughts?

NOV 10th

Looking at it again today.. maybe I was looking at it differently with the previous thought.. if I have 14 hours rest between SCR (WOCL) should it flag when more then 3 days vs flagging when more then 5 days? just seeing how your WOCL is built into APDL..

Thoughts?



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Unfortunately we are very deep into APDL work right now trying to get our next beta/RC out based on changes in Apple's recent updates. Your scenario requires review or your carrier's regulations, etc. which is quite involved. You'll need to dig into your regs and experiment with APDL to determine what's wrong with the legality using the tools APDL provided in the legality section in the legality reports (note icon) etc. and see if that helps you.
 
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